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电影里的科技老板:从英雄到反派

Tech Bosses on Film: From Heroes to Villains

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Two hosts disagree about whether this autumn's films about tech bosses, which cast them far more harshly than The Imitation Game of 2014 and The Social Network of 2010, really change views of them. HSK 5+ Chinese listening practice.

This is an HSK 5+ Chinese listening episode that runs about 4 minutes. The full Mandarin script is shown with tap-for-pinyin and a line-by-line English translation, so you can listen and read at once — comprehensible input in the sense of Stephen Krashen's i+1 theory. It teaches 12 key vocabulary words such as 科技、老板、否认 and walks through 7 grammar patterns, each explained in English with examples. The same news story is retold at 3 difficulty levels — use the level selector above to find the version that is challenging but still understandable for you.

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Xinghe

两亿两千五百万,一千七百万。
你先别跟我说电影拍得好不好,先看这两个数。

Yue

美元。

Xinghe

对,美元,全世界的票房。
前面那个,是二零一零年的《社交网络》,

Yue

嗯。

Xinghe

后面那个,是它今年十月出的续集,到现在的数。

Yue

嗯,我知道你要说什么。

Xinghe

我要说的是,你说的那个变化,大多数人,大多数人根本没进电影院。

Yue

我说的变化,不是一部电影。
你往回看十几年,二零一四年有一部《模仿游戏》,

Xinghe

图灵。

Yue

对,第二次世界大战的时候,帮着破解德国人密码的那个人。
电影把他拍成了英雄,票房很好,还拿了奥斯卡。

Xinghe

嗯,他是科学家,不是老板。

Yue

是,可那个时候,电影拍做科技的人,拍的是他们怎么改变世界。
《社交网络》讲的,也是扎克伯格怎么从头做起Facebook,

Xinghe

嗯。

Yue

到了续集,主角换成了一个在Facebook工作过的女人,

Xinghe

哦。

Yue

就是把公司内部文件公开的那个人。
电影里的扎克伯格,冷冰冰的。

Xinghe

成了反派。

Yue

至少,至少不是英雄了。
而且续集还是写第一部的那个人写的,这次他自己来拍。

Xinghe

嗯。

Yue

这还只是一部。
马斯克有一部纪录片,四个小时左右,十月十六号在美国的电影院上映。
同一天还有一部纪录片,拍那个开验血公司、后来因为诈骗坐牢的女人,

Xinghe

哦,那个我知道。

Yue

对,拍片的人一直跟着她,拍到她进监狱前的那几个星期。
评价很好。

Xinghe

嗯,片子是多了,这个我看得到。
可是,可是谁去看?

Yue

你说呢?

Xinghe

本来就不喜欢这些公司的人,

Yue

嗯。

Xinghe

他们买票进去,是去听一遍自己早就相信的话。
出来的时候,想法一点没变。

Yue

嗯,这一点你说得对。
坐在电影院里的,多半本来就不喜欢他们。

Xinghe

对。

Yue

可电影不是只活在电影院里。
过几年,没看过的人,也会大概知道,那部片子里的扎克伯格是什么样子。

Xinghe

嗯,那得先有人记得这部片子。

Yue

你想想图灵。
我对他的印象,一大半,一大半是那部电影给的。

Xinghe

嗯,这个我不否认,我也是。
电影能决定大家怎么记一个人。

Yue

对,这就是我的意思。

Xinghe

可是记住一个人,跟用不用他的东西,是两回事。
你说完Facebook不好,晚上还是会打开它。

Yue

我很少打开。

Xinghe

你懂我意思。

Yue

好吧。

Xinghe

还有一件事,

Yue

嗯。

Xinghe

拍电影的钱,从哪儿来?

Yue

你要说奥尔特曼那部。

Xinghe

对。
一部拍奥尔特曼的电影,讲二零二三年底,他突然被OpenAI赶走的那段时间。
本来是亚马逊的电影公司在做,今年六月,亚马逊不要了,

Yue

嗯。

Xinghe

就在亚马逊答应给OpenAI投五百亿美元以后没多久。
大的电影公司,不是科技公司自己的,就是靠科技公司的钱。
拍什么,不拍什么,

Yue

钱说了算。

Xinghe

我是这么看的。

Yue

亚马逊自己的说法是,这部电影换一家公司来发更合适。
而且它最后还是要上映,一家小一点的公司接了过去,说今年就放。

Xinghe

小公司,票房只会更小。

Yue

票房小,话还是说出来了。

Xinghe

嗯。
我今天早上起来,第一件事是看手机。

Yue

对,我也是。

Xinghe

所以电影里的老板再冷,

Yue

嗯。

Xinghe

他们的东西,大家还是天天在用。

Yue

用,不等于信他们。

Xinghe

他们要的,是你用。
English transcript reference

225 million, 17 million.

Don't tell me yet whether the films are good or not, look at these two numbers first.

Dollars.

Right, dollars, worldwide box office.

The first one is The Social Network from 2010,

Mm.

The second one is its sequel that came out this October, the figure so far.

Mm, I know what you're going to say.

What I'm going to say is, that change you talk about, most people, most people never even went into a cinema.

The change I mean isn't one film.

Look back ten-odd years, in 2014 there was The Imitation Game,

Turing.

Right, the man who helped crack the Germans' codes in the Second World War.

The film made him a hero, it did well at the box office, and it won an Oscar.

Mm, he was a scientist, not a boss.

Yes, but back then, when films showed people in technology, they showed how they changed the world.

The Social Network was also about how Zuckerberg built Facebook from the start,

Mm.

By the sequel, the main character has become a woman who used to work at Facebook,

Oh.

The one who made the company's internal files public.

The Zuckerberg in the film is cold.

He's become the villain.

At least, at least he's not a hero any more.

And the sequel was written by the same man who wrote the first one, and this time he's directing it himself.

Mm.

And that's only one film.

There's a documentary about Musk, about four hours long, which opened in American cinemas on 16 October.

The same day there was another documentary, about that woman who started a blood-testing company and later went to prison for fraud,

Oh, I know that one.

Right, the film-makers followed her the whole time, up to the few weeks before she went to prison.

It got very good reviews.

Mm, there are more films, I can see that.

But, but who goes to see them?

What do you think?

People who already don't like these companies,

Mm.

They buy a ticket to hear again what they already believed.

When they come out, their minds haven't changed at all.

Mm, you're right about that.

The people sitting in the cinema mostly didn't like them to begin with.

Right.

But a film doesn't only live in the cinema.

In a few years, even people who never saw it will roughly know what the Zuckerberg in that film is like.

Mm, first someone has to remember the film.

Think about Turing.

My picture of him, most of it, most of it came from that film.

Mm, I don't deny that, me too.

Films can decide how people remember a person.

Right, that's what I mean.

But remembering a person and using his things are two different things.

After you say Facebook is bad, you still open it in the evening.

I rarely open it.

You know what I mean.

Fine.

One more thing,

Mm.

Where does the money for making films come from?

You're going to talk about the Altman one.

Right.

A film about Altman, about the time at the end of 2023 when he was suddenly pushed out of OpenAI.

Amazon's film company was making it, and this June, Amazon didn't want it any more,

Mm.

Not long after Amazon agreed to invest $50 billion in OpenAI.

The big film companies are either owned by technology companies or depend on technology companies' money.

What gets filmed, what doesn't,

Money decides.

That's how I see it.

Amazon's own explanation is that the film would be better off released by another company.

And it will still come out in the end, a smaller company took it over and says it will show it this year.

A small company, the box office will only be smaller.

Small box office, but it still gets said.

Mm.

When I got up this morning, the first thing I did was look at my phone.

Right, me too.

So however cold the bosses in the films are,

Mm.

People still use their things every day.

Using them doesn't mean trusting them.

What they want is for you to use them.

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What vocabulary does this episode teach?

词汇
kējìtechnology

HSK 3. Used here before a noun: 科技公司 is a technology company, 科技老板 a technology boss.

lǎobǎnboss

HSK 3. The person who owns or runs a company. In this script it means the heads of big technology companies.

fǒurènto deny

HSK 3. Often in 我不否认, a way to grant the other person's point.

mófǎngto imitate

HSK 5. It is the first word of the film title 《模仿游戏》.

shuōfǎa way of putting it; a stated position

HSK 5. 自己的说法 means what someone says for themselves.

píngjiàreview; assessment

HSK 3. 评价很好 means the reviews are very good.

yīngxiónghero

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. The older films made inventors into heroes; the hosts use it to compare old and new films.

piàofángbox office

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. Ticket sales for a film. 票房很好 means the film sold many tickets.

fǎnpàivillain

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. The bad character in a story. 成了反派 means turned into the villain.

xùjísequel

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. 续 means continue and 集 means part or episode. 出了续集 means a sequel came out.

jìlùpiàndocumentary

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. A film about real people and events. 片 is short for film, as in 片子.

shàngyìngto open in cinemas

Beyond the HSK 1 to 5 lists. Used for films: 在美国的电影院上映 means opened in American cinemas.

* beyond level超纲词

What grammar patterns appear in this episode?

语法

不是……,就是……

If not this, then that. It says there are only two options and both point the same way.

大的电影公司,不是科技公司自己的,就是靠科技公司的钱。

把 + Object + Verb + 成 + Result

把 moves the object before the verb. Verb + 成 shows what the object is turned into.

电影把他拍成了英雄

先别 + Verb,先 + Verb

Asks the listener to hold one thing back and deal with another first.

你先别跟我说电影拍得好不好,先看这两个数。

Verb + 成 + New thing

Verb + 成 shows something is changed into something else, here a new main character.

主角换成了一个在Facebook工作过的女人

A 跟 B 是两回事

Says that A and B are separate matters and should not be mixed up.

记住一个人,跟用不用他的东西,是两回事。

A 不等于 B

Says A is not the same as B, to stop the other person from jumping to a conclusion.

用,不等于信他们。

Noun + 说了算

Means this person or thing has the final say.

钱说了算。

Proper nouns

专有名词
图灵TúlíngAlan Turing扎克伯格ZhākèbógéMark Zuckerberg奥尔特曼Ào'ěrtèmànSam Altman亚马逊YàmǎxùnAmazonFacebookFacebookOpenAIOpenAI德国DéguóGermany《模仿游戏》Mófǎng YóuxìThe Imitation Game《社交网络》Shèjiāo WǎngluòThe Social Network马斯克MǎsīkèElon Musk美国Měiguóthe United States奥斯卡Àosīkǎthe Oscars

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